Re: From Islam to salvation

**FLAME** · 01-18-2012, 05:46 PM

Our goal is to make sure they are saved and following the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible and to put away other 'gods'

**FLAME** · 01-23-2012, 06:03 PM

Update:

I mentioned Jesus is more than just a prophet, the Son of God, the cross and resurrection, its a relationship, to have no other gods, other basics, etc. I gave her an online Bible link and a contact over there for fellowship with other believers. Altho she is not really communicating, (and I can understand it can be scary because its dangerous for her) , I have a way of knowing she is going to a link I gave her that has all kinds of info about Jesus, our faith, living for the Lord, growing in Christ. So thats an encouragement. I pray she continues.

**LinkH** · 02-04-2012, 09:30 AM

I'd have a conversation about Christ being the Word of God (the Quran says this, too). I'd also ask this person if she believes that Jesus rose from the dead and talks about the atonement. And I'd find out if she had been water-baptized and point to various verses on the subject. Water baptism is a real line in the sand with a lot of Muslims. Some of them will repeat a prayer after someone-- no problem-- but to get water baptized is really making a commitment.

**FLAME** · 02-07-2012, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by shalom2u

I reccomend the camel Method and using Surah al Imran 32~46 as a bridge, our goal is not Christianity versus Islam, but the supremacy of Jesus in all things.

But Sean. supremacy is....
1. The quality or condition of being supreme.
2. Supreme power or authority

and could still mean supreme power and authority is of man, such as a king, yet not Divine.

According to the Quran they already believe' Jesus is the Messiah, born of a virgin, the son of Mary'. Yet not Divine. So they can not be saved if they still think Jesus the man is supreme. Only GOD can save you, not a human. They would still be placing their trust in a man for salvation, not the Jesus who is God.

And we encourage them to read the whole BIBLE, not the Quran. They can't half way believe the Quran and half way believe the Bible. Either they are not converted or they are...and need to renew their mind to the Bible, choose to believe it even if they don't totally understand it, just as we do about some things.

**Ezekiel 33** · 02-07-2012, 03:47 PM

It doesn't matter what level of "supremecy" they give to Jesus the prophet. Only when they acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God can they be saved. Their god Allah wants them to die for him. His love is conditional. The one true and living God, YHWH loves them so much that He sent His only begotten Son Jesus to die for them. His love is unconditional. While we were yet sinners He still loved us enough to offer us salvation through His Son Jesus. Polar opposites. Only by the Spirit can they call Jesus LORD.

**FLAME** · 02-07-2012, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33

It doesn't matter what level of "supremecy" they give to Jesus the prophet. Only when they acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God can they be saved. Their god Allah wants them to die for him. His love is conditional. The one true and living God, YHWH loves them so much that He sent His only begotten Son Jesus to die for them. His love is unconditional. While we were yet sinners He still loved us enough to offer us salvation through His Son Jesus. Polar opposites. Only by the Spirit can they call Jesus LORD.

Yes thats true. To those who think they have to commit jihad to get to heaven, I like to say you don't have to kill yourself or anyone to get to heaven. The Son of God already died for you so you can get to heaven.

**LinkH** · 02-07-2012, 09:17 PM

Most Mus1ims are not suicide bombers, and many of them think the suicide bombers who think they will go to heaven by blowing up a bus are a little crazy. That was the case in Indonesia, at least.

Christians in Arabic speaking countries call God "Allah." I know there are millions of Charismatics and Pentecostals in Indonesia who call God 'Allah', too.

When dealing with Mus1ims, we need be careful not to try to use some of the shallow evangelistic techniques used in this country. "One, two three, repeat this prayer after me, and you are saved." Typically, they will have a problem with the deity of Christ, the Sonship of Christ, the veracity of the Bible, and various other issues.

**FLAME** · 02-07-2012, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by LinkH

Most Mus1ims are not suicide bombers, and many of them think the suicide bombers who think they will go to heaven by blowing up a bus are a little crazy. That was the case in Indonesia, at least.

Christians in Arabic speaking countries call God "Allah." I know there are millions of Charismatics and Pentecostals in Indonesia who call God 'Allah', too.

When dealing with Mus1ims, we need be careful not to try to use some of the shallow evangelistic techniques used in this country. "One, two three, repeat this prayer after me, and you are saved." Typically, they will have a problem with the deity of Christ, the Sonship of Christ, the veracity of the Bible, and various other issues.

I don't used shallow techniques. I just preach the Word. Thats what they need to hear. Its the Spirit that draws, convicts and transformed those who believe and recieve it.