Dietrich Bonhoeffer

[Bookman]

Bookman,

Brother ANdrew stated that Paul said to "fight the good jihad" and also stated that he understands why Muslims hate the West after everything we do to them. He is very very very very very pro-Palestinian. He speaks at the Christ at the Checkpoint conference every year and is one of the visiting professors at Bethlehem Bible COllege (main evangelical college expousing Palestinian liberation theology and replacement theology).

You can see Brother Andrew's quotes on the site:

Brother Andrew and Stephen Sizer at Christ at the Checkpoint 2010: Violent jihad has “every right” to attack the West |

Or go to the Christ at the Checkpoint website here:

Christ at the Checkpoint

Then something has surely happened to him since he wrote Gods Smuggler.

[revkev]

One of the hottest subjects for debate in bible college was about Bonhoeffer and his actions.

It has always seemed to me that he tried to make something happen outside the will of God and it failed miserably.

Apart from that, his book "The Cost of Discipleship", was integral to me as a growing Christian when I first got saved. We can say what we will about the man, but he was here in the U.S. teaching and he did not have to go back to Germany. But he did, and he put his life on the line for something he believed in.

[Spectre]

I used to like Shane Claiborne

don't think I care for him too much now

I have actually talked to atheists who bring up Hitler and his supposed Christianity as a reason religion is so bad and causes wars and death.


they might be reading things like this to get their crazy views

I wonder:

Do they realize how stupid they sound?
Do they really believe Hitler was a Christian? (if so, they might want to read some history...Hitler HATED Christianity)

Some people amaze me and it amazes me even more that some Christians even believe that Hitler had some sort of faith. Um, holding a Bible in your hand does not make one a Christian, especially if you are ranting and raving against the Jews and murdering anyone who comes against you. Duh.

Hitler's Henchmen and Nazi Sympathizers

[Karsten]

Shaine Claeborne recently said that the "cross lost" when Bonhoeffer tried to assasinate Hitler...nevermind that this same guy is going to speak at a antisemetic and anti-Israel event called Christ at the Checkpoint.

However, do you think BOnhoeffer tried to do the right thing?

Christ at the Checkpoint 2012 speaker: when Bonhoeffer tried to assassinate Hitler “the cross lost” |

Yes! I think Bonhoeffer did the right thing.

I would like to think that I would have participated also.

Just think how much suffering and oppression would have been prevented if the July plot had been successful.

However, I think that it is morally wrong to intentially target non-combatants (civilians) in warfare. The bombing of London by the Germans and the incendiary bombings of Dresden by the British and Americans and the incendiary bombings of Tokyo, and the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were morally wrong.

Hitler was part of the killing machine. It was morally right to take him out.

[tschauzsaemme]

One of the hottest subjects for debate in bible college was about Bonhoeffer and his actions.

It has always seemed to me that he tried to make something happen outside the will of God and it failed miserably.

Apart from that, his book "The Cost of Discipleship", was integral to me as a growing Christian when I first got saved. We can say what we will about the man, but he was here in the U.S. teaching and he did not have to go back to Germany. But he did, and he put his life on the line for something he believed in.

I see it a little different.
He and several of his friends and those engaged in the resistence within the church discussed this again and again over a long time. They all were against killing,
yet at the end it was the care for those suffering that at the end won, in some way like a good shephard he kills the animal who is stealing a sheep.
I always wondererd why they did not sucess,
I think, maybe God did not want them to have blood on their hands,
but I do not think that they wanted to act outside of Gods will.
I personally have a high respect for Bonhoeffer and others who knew they were paying with their life and went walked the way,
and I have a high respect for them how they did really try to find out what was necessary to be done.

[revkev]

I always believed they failed because it wasn't God's will. It was in fact a flagrant violation of the Sixth Commandment.

It didn't just fail. It was an epic fail.

[CatchyUsername]

The bombing of London by the Germans and the incendiary bombings of Dresden by the British and Americans and the incendiary bombings of Tokyo, and the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were morally wrong.

That's an opinion, not a fact.

[BAP]

Yes! I think Bonhoeffer did the right thing.

I would like to think that I would have participated also.

Just think how much suffering and oppression would have been prevented if the July plot had been successful.

However, I think that it is morally wrong to intentially target non-combatants (civilians) in warfare. The bombing of London by the Germans and the incendiary bombings of Dresden by the British and Americans and the incendiary bombings of Tokyo, and the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were morally wrong.

Hitler was part of the killing machine. It was morally right to take him out.

This kind of non contextual morality gets many more people killed .

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of Mercy as far as I am concerned . Saved millions of lives. Heck they could have bombed Tokyo

Hitler was part of the killing machine. It was morally right to take him out.

They didnt have precision munitions or sophisticated intelligence in those days

[BAP]

I used to like Shane Claiborne

don't think I care for him too much now

I have actually talked to atheists who bring up Hitler and his supposed Christianity as a reason religion is so bad and causes wars and death.

I wonder:

Do they realize how stupid they sound?
Do they really believe Hitler was a Christian? (if so, they might want to read some history...Hitler HATED Christianity)

..... Duh.

Liberals generally arent very intelligent people , despite the fact taht most of them think they are intellectual and smart.

[CatchyUsername]

I think the Chinese were ecstatic that we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I bet the Jews are thrilled we bombed Dresden.

This kind of non contextual morality gets many more people killed .

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of Mercy as far as I am concerned . Saved millions of lives. Heck they could have bombed Tokyo


They didnt have precision munitions or sophisticated intelligence in those days